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Lv 4. The lion accused that the lamb was disturbing him by mudding water. Support Groups, ON-SITE PARTNERSHIPS Discipleship School, WOODLAND HILLS Moral of the story: ‘Any excuse is good enough for a wicked for a wicked person.’, Collection Centre of Standard Chartered Bank, Drugs Revolution and Development of Penicillin. Serving the Homeless As a result, he was about how to accomplish his evil design. Farming is no longer done in a fashion that is merciful. "LION AND THE LAMB" in the KJV Bible. He wanted something to eat. One example: 2 Timothy 2:17-18. If the lion has to devour the lamb, it can come up with several excuses to justify its action of killing. The word Apocalypse comes from apocalyptic literature, but over time, the meaning of apocalypse has changed and come to meant more about the end of the world than a revealing. 16 This happened three times. Scripture tells us again and again that we are to be merciful and kind to animals, it is everywhere in scripture. I looked and saw a lion and looked again and saw a sheep (not a lamb but a more so a ram). THANK YOU!!! Here’s a link: http://www.relevantmagazine.com/god/church/features/1344-from-the-mag-7-big-questions. What do you say about Genesis 9:3? 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. I wish i lived surrounded by guys like you. Sermon Discussion Groups Not a God who exacts vengeance with a sword. St. Paul, MN 55109 As persons of faith, responsible for the welfare of the planet, each other and all living things on it, as those made in the Image of God, more than ever today, it is urgent that we know where what we buy comes from, or we end up partaking in evils we most likely would not partake in if we saw it for ourselves, and we inadvertently violate the principles of love that the gospel message is all about. But this doesn’t necessarily mean we should eat fish (or any other invertebrate given they are raised/treated in an un-biblical manner) in today’s world. But the book of Revelation shares that God’s power is expressed in a slain lamb and not a roaring lion. New Heavens/New Earth or Millennial Kingdom, we will eat meat of any kind? He chose the multiplication and consumption of fish to illustrate certain spiritual truths – if he had wanted to point out the unfortunate spiritual collapse of man in his current sinful laden condition characterized by a lust for animal flesh, then he might have intentionally fed the five thousand with just bread or more potently and symbolically eaten just grapes or fruit in front of his disciples instead as an object lesson, but he didn’t. More and more in the western culture and indeed in the world over, our core values are being derived from consumption rather than consumption from the core values of Christ. Jesus prepares the coals and they sup together. 180 Instances - Page 1 of 6 - Sort by Book Order Expand or Limit Your Search Results: All KJV books Old Testament only New Testament only Apocrypha only (?) 11 He saw heaven open up. If it reared up against me, I would grab it by its fur, strike it down, and kill it.… Awesome. People want God to be a roaring lion that devours our enemies. And more so the memory of this dream comes to my mind. Do think that in The Resurrection i.e. Chloe Lamb. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servants? It’s a massively important and foreboding vision, however it’s also vital to remember that it’s physical parallel on earth was represented by the “Mercy Seat” that was atop the Ark of the Covenant where the blood was sprinkled by the priest as a substitutionary animal sacrifice – i.e. Each person should be absolutely sure in his own mind. Lamb & Lion Ministries was established for the purpose of proclaiming the soon return of Jesus. I remember how God interacted with His people in the Old Testament and the methods with which He chastised the disobedient or idolatrous. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. You are just a boy, and he has been a warrior from his youth.” 34 David replied, “Your servant has been tending his father’s sheep, and whenever a lion or a bear came and carried off a lamb from the flock, 35 I went after it, struck it down, and delivered the lamb from its mouth. I think, as the sermon says (Greg’s message in this sermon about this subject is excellent, and there is great need for more leadership like this in our Christian circles), we have a choice and we should question whether we are showing mercy, kindness or justice (Micah 6:8) by what we eat in today’s world; and whether by doing so, we are promoting God’s Peaceable Kingdom. It is a much bigger subject than that, it is all about our character in handling what the Lord has made and in presenting Christ to the world in all we do, including in our food choices! He/They cook up some of the fish they’ve just miraculously caught. Good luck with the lamb option. How many lions does it take to kill a lamb? This expression continues today, as people see in Revelation a Jesus who will come back with the sword and spread his vengeance. God has broken down so many barriers and exposed so many lies that have taken some serious burdens from my heart. It was being let down to earth by its four corners. We don’t see what goes on behind the scenes. THE BABY BUFFALO WAS LOST FROM THE HERD, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON. Symbolically, Jesus is the Lion from the tribe of Judah, the descendant of King David. Thank you, Greg, of course me here, the forever animal welfarists, and I’m always grateful (elated even, and love the passion in which you deliver these types of messages) when you draw animals into the message and into God’s Word and our theology, into our sight as that for which we also need to be daily mindful of!!! There is only one perfect Human and perfect Lord and that is Jesus Christ. Congolese Refugees 651-487-0001 © 2020 Woodland Hills Church, St Paul, MN. lamb or bull for the forgiveness of sins. Myself and another Christian animal welfarist started a blog in hopes of bringing the message of Christ to animal welfare, as well as the message of animal welfare to the faith community. I haven’t forgotten that God is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow (forever), and I do not view it as a contradiction of character for God to punish sin as He is holy. Newcomer's Class, CONNECT BY AGE Email Newsletter The Lion and the Lamb are descriptions of two aspects of the nature of Christ. There he saw something that looked like a large sheet. Transcript, 5 Then I saw in the right hand of the one seated on the throne a scroll written on the inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals; 2 and I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it. Missions, LEARN II. When it comes to meat, I do my level best to eat as little red meat as possible and go “Free-Range” and “Grass-fed” whenever I have the choice. Get our Mobile App After the flood things were obviously different; why else would God have told Noah to eat meat? Other On-Site Churches, SERMONS Come Up Here, I Want to Show You Something | mutteringheart, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgMWqAuQDKs. Some theologians consider them to be Seraphim or Cherubim, others see them as “tesserae” or “tetramorphs” representing the four evangelists of the Gospels. 10 He became hungry. What Jesus actually did in that situation is irrelevant when we understand His divinity and purpose; when we realise what happened at the Fall and the dreadful effect this had upon the whole creation. I guess what I’m trying to get at is that what Paul was saying all along in these pages was really about doing what is loving and ethical. I personally find eating something like a “Dolphin” for example, a pretty mean thing to do, but for many Japanese, it’s quite a normal delicacy. This expression of God goes back to the Old Testament, where the Israelites wanted their Messiah to defeat the nations that had conquered them and restore Israel. Sermon Series So the question of mudding water on his part did not arise. I think you’re so right about the fear thing. However, in this sermon, Greg shows us how God’s power is best expressed by a sacrificial lamb, and it will continue to be expressed that way in the future. We don’t know whether Jesus ate the fish Himself on that occasion, but we are told that He did eat fish with His disciples after the Resurrection in order to confirm that He had risen in the flesh. While the meal was being prepared, Peter had a vision. Peter went up on the roof to pray. In order to understand the book of Revelation, we need to understand the letter and who it was written to. Podcast (sermons only), OTHER RESOURCES During these past five years, i’ve learned a lot and all i can say is ‘come quickly Lord Jesus’. The almighty is the Lion of Judah just as aslan in the the Chronicle s of Narnia portrayed him the lamb is Christ the last sacrifice, the blood of the lamb. * Paul McCartney said “If slaughterhouses had glass walls, we would all be vegetarian.” CAFO’s should have glass walls, we’d be vegetarian before they made it to slaughter….. Paul tells us to “put on love above all else.” Col 3:14. A pre-fall state of non-violence and perfect harmony between us and creation is what God intended, and what He intends to return us to one day. Hide Extended Summary. For those who want to use the scripture as justification to eat meat (I agree with M85, some things are most likely “an extension of God’s gracious condescension to a fallen world”), visit a factory farm, tune into an animal welfare organization such as Farm Sanctuary, read one of Andrew Linzey’s books (theologian, founder and director of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics), watch an undercover video of what is happening in our world to food animals and animals produced for clothing or fur. Others think all days are the same. I believe more than ever, we are being called to wake up to what is happening all around us in our world today, to be aware of the origins of what we are buying, how it is made, produced, etc. I do support organizations such as the RSPCA and others. It turns out, God isn’t the lion and the lamb, he is the lamb vs. the lion. 4 And I began to weep bitterly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. In praying ‘Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven’ means we are to live now in as much as is within our power in ways that reflect that peaceable kingdom when all will be restored to perfect shalom again. I believe in what they’re doing. A lion is a meat eater, and a lamb is peaceful and doesnt eat meat. The Lamb represents his coming as a humble God and being led to slaughter willingly for us. One of the most important things going on in Revelation was showing how God’s power works. Now, in quoting these passages I’m not suggesting that anyone is “weak” or that “anything goes” that squirms or moves – some things are just plain disgusting to considering eating like “Svio”- boiled sheep’s head or “Ukha”- fish head soup – Ha! Jesus is also the killed lamb because of his sacrifice. Our latest COVID updates are available here >, Welcome to Woodland “I have never eaten anything that is not pure and ‘clean.’” 15 The voice spoke to him a second time. Which might imply that as one reads further, it contains the names of those martyred and eternally forgiven on it – Rev 5: 9 & 10 (?). When Jesus came to earth as fully man/fully God, he entered our created world order; it makes sense He would eat what is being eaten during the culture at that time in order to survive. Weekly Highlights. We do not believe it is possible to know the date when Jesus will return. Job Skills Program In order for God to be just and holy, He has to give punishment where punishment is due. 16K likes. Romans 14:1-6 I'm Chloe the interweb nymph, I made a Facebook profile for all my lovers out there so you can keep up with whats going on in my life, on and off cam 3 ! Or somehting like that. It is a plea that we, as those who profess to love the Savior, as the body of Christ, would look at what He has made with new eyes, to “see what He sees” and to have our hearts broken for what breaks His…. 9 They sing a new song: for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God. Tiny Home Project Lions for Lambs is a 2007 American war drama film directed by Robert Redford about the connection between a platoon of United States soldiers in Afghanistan, a U.S. senator, a reporter, and a California college professor. You either get stuff done or you’re road kill and it can happen in a New York minute. Injuries sustained by two Army rangers behind enemy lines in Afghanistan set off a sequence of events involving a congressman, a journalist and a professor. It’s always about our behavior and whether what we do or what we are partaking in looks like Christ or not. At the touch of a button one can find them. And your take on John 21:1-14 where Jesus after the Resurrection makes breakfast for Peter & John and other disciples. Not, at least, according to game theory. Can someone help me. Women's Book Club Some years ago I had a very vivid techni-colour dream (?) I’m just wondering why it is that Pastor Boyd, a bible believing Christian, won’t call out the false teachers of his day by name as did the apostle Paul? I will continue to watch his series on Revelation and pray for discernment. But the lamb tried to refute the accusation that he was taking wafer from downstream. Lions are large, powerful, and dangerous. Kill and eat.” 14 “No, Lord! It seems that those judgments can’t be poured out unless he’s first been victorious for us. Though these are all reluctantly permitted and tolerated by God (an extension of God’s gracious condescension to a fallen world), none represents God’s ultimate desire for his creatures. These same creatures or very similar ones, pop up in Ezekiel’s, as well as Isaiah’s visions with slight variations. 12 It had all kinds of four-footed animals in it. God has accepted them. I am very aware that Revelation has symbolic meaning and I do not look to the book in an effort to connect it to modern events/conspiracy theories. It's because they draw a stark contrast to each other. Audio File 2 The faith of some people allows them to eat anything. 65+, CONNECT BY INTEREST Lambs are small, young, and utterly defenseless. This documentary was so hard to watch that i couldn’t even get half way through it. Kids I am also aware that the finished work of the cross changed the way the Lord interacts with us since we now have a Savior Who intercedes for us. Daycare It would seem that in centuries past, earlier depictions of them were a bit more subtle and tame, but now most contemporary images have them being more nightmarish and phantasmagorical. In addition, in Christianity, according to a sermon by Augustine, the lion stands for Christ resurrected, the lamb for Christ's sacrifice ("He endured death as a lamb; he devoured it as a lion… Personally, I fall between the two. I guess I’ve come to land on believing it really doesn’t matter if He was or wasn’t vegetarian (though I believe He very well could have been). My father felt the same way. Whether they are faithful or not is their own master’s concern. Saying this, the lion attacked the lamb and killed him. Like you I struggled to read Revelation for years, always seeing miss-speculation and Jesus so contradictory to the Jesus of the gospels. I heard once that God is the perfect balance of love and justice, and that people tend to err one direction or the other. We are all in this together! 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. The Lion represents his true power as King of Kings and Lord of lord’s. Then the lion retorted that perhaps his father was mudding water for him in the last year. I do, however, believe that God will punish those who have chosen to reject Him at the time of His return. Take a moment and look into the eyes of the animals you are eating, look at how they are being *raised. For me, I have always been fascinated but yet, a little frightened by the “Four Living Creatures” – the “Hayyoth” in chapters 4 & 5 that are described as being around the throne. MINISTRIES Yes, there are numerous grotesque and horrific practices, like you say. The lion accused that the lamb was disturbing him by mudding water. Don’t judge them where you have differences of opinion. With Tom Cruise, Meryl Streep, Robert Redford, Michael Peña. You see, it is not about whether we get to eat animals or not! Like a vampire and human. Inspired designs on t-shirts, posters, stickers, home decor, and more by independent artists and designers from around the world. Men's Bible Study saints from every tribe and language and people and nation; 10 you have made them to be a kingdom and priests serving our God. Acts 10:9-16 – Not that we get legalistic. But the lamb tried to refute the accusation that he was taking wafer from downstream. It’s all nonstop bare fisted brawl where often you get battered as badly as the guy you’re pummeling. Also, the angel with the flaming sword blocking mans entrance back into “Eden” is also considered to be a Cherubim by some scholars. The answer isn't as straightforward as you might think. Right away the sheet was taken back up to heaven. Your email address will not be published. 8 When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. Funerals To understand this application, we need to understand what was going on. We put the gospel message in jeopardy when we do not understand consumerism. Adoption Because Christians are not simply called to live according to the external precepts of “the law”, but are called to be empowered by the Holy Spirit, who’s sanctifying work draws us closer to God’s ideals, we therefore have every reason to move beyond the Pharisaical tendency to simply seize upon the opportunities afforded our fallen nature by a legalistic interpretation of Genesis 9:3, and to follow the Spirit as it leads towards the fulfillment of God’s eschatological promise according to which “the wolf will lie down with the lamb” and “the lion will eat straw like the ox” (Isa 11:6,7).” from LAMPPOST FARMS: SLAUGHTER AS GOD INTENDED? Adam and Eve had the perfect garden and were vegans. At last, he hit upon a plan. Kids This way of reading Revelation freed me from a lot of fear; so I am grateful that you are sharing these insight, even if unpopular, with others. “Do not say anything is not pure that God has made ‘clean,’” it said. Compare Masaccio’s “Expulsion from the Garden of Eden” fresco cira: 1425, with recent Cherubim paintings online. We live in a world today where most everything we ‘consume’ has been brought to us by someone else. It was the Lion and lamb!! It has transformed my life in some really radical ways. Our culture is fixated on things that might end our existence. I think that people who lean more toward justice are more likely to believe the “traditional” rapture and end times scenario, and people who lean more toward love are going to find this “modern” (for lack of better words to describe it, don’t take offense at my choice of wording) interpretation that Greg has presented here. THIS VIDEO WAS NOT STAGED. Trump doesn’t know from niceties when he has a job to do or a deadline to meet. 6:7).3 Indeed, The “ keeping of lions in captivity in ancient Mesopotamia is well attested in in the inscriptions and stone reliefs of the Assyrian kings, who used to l… Arts Group 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker; of whom is Hymanaeus and Philetus; info@whchurch.org. Special Events “1 Accept those whose faith is weak. I’m so glad that we can discuss this topic. On a practical note: There is always going to be a debate in this area I think…as much as I wish it weren’t so at times and the peaceable kingdom were already here…for the sake of those who are tortured, not for mine. I am a Christian who is not perfect which no one is perfect. We must trust in the power of the lamb and not the lion. What’s the difference? Search Sermons The answer isn’t as straightforward as you might think. The Lion and the Lamb surely refer to Christ, with the Lamb referring to His first coming and His death and the Lion referring to His second coming and His sovereign judgment of the world. Just Google the infamous – “Hatchery Horrors: Video Shows No Mercy for Baby Chicks…” and we can see what they’re doing! 1 decade ago. Lauren. And if one becomes hungry enough, well unfortunately almost anything goes! Those who eat meat do it to honor the Lord. Just as you have stated that – “when we realise what happened at the Fall and the dreadful effect this had upon the whole creation.”, I can also confidently reiterate Matthew 15:11 – “What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”. Show Extended Summary Search by topic, keyword, speaker, series or year! I am in complete agreement with you that so much of the meatpacking & processing industry today and in the past, is saturated with grotesque and horrific practices. In my early childhood, I read a story in which a lamb and a lion were quenching their thirst in a small stream.Though the lion was located upstream, he accused the lamb of making the water dirty. And, thanks also for answering to Rev 11:18. God bless your day, may His hand be upon you; WHC, you and all the leadership are in my prayers daily. That is a confirmation of the fulfillment of the prophecy given in the Old Testament about the coming of the Messiah from Judah’s tribe. 9 It was about noon the next day. December 2, 2020 December 1, 2020 | Stuart France “Tell me,” said Joshua, “why is that person carrying a lamb to the city ?” Judas Thomas said, “So that he may kill it and eat it.” Joshua said, “Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy. Killing is an act of violence. God’s covenant is will all flesh. On the contrary, the lamb replied that it was the lion who was mudding water for him (lamb) as he was drinking water from upstream. 3 People who eat everything must not look down on those who do not. 5 Some people consider one day to be more holy than another. But others eat only vegetables because their faith is weak. Prayer Either way, it’s led to a frightening milieu artistic representations over the years. I think this kind of imagery and unbridled artistic license feeds into a hunger for “End-Times” sensationalism where beasts and devils supposedly rip and rampage during the Tribulation period. More than ever today, we urgently need to look at the times we live in to determine whether something is right for us to do or not, especially when it comes to food and consumerism in general. They also give thanks to God. But even in spite of that, I think what Paul was trying to get at is that we should make the ethical and loving choices, choices that honor each other as to not “trip up your brother.” “Let’s not argue about these things but do what it takes so that your brother feels loved by you.” Today, making the ethical and loving choices may look much different than it did then in regards to the same subject matter, because today, food for example is not raised or delivered in the same way it was then, and most certainly is not done in an ethical or loving way. The Lord Jesus Is Called the Root of David (Rev. How many lions does it take to kill a lamb? When the angel killed the first born in Egypt it was the lambs blood they covered the door with so that the angel would pass over them. Seems pretty damn simple, lions do the eating, lambs get eaten. Video File The procession seemed to be in the sky, in the clouds. You know Paul taught that he did not want people to get all hooked up over and in arguments about food. All orders are custom made and most ship worldwide within 24 hours. Required fields are marked *. By the way, Edward is the lion and Bella is the lamb. And people who don’t eat everything must not judge those who do. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. They will be faithful, because the Lord has the power to make them faithful. The Lion’s Share. I scanned each person I saw for clothing that might hide a gun. The answer isn't as straightforward as you might think. It has given me hope, freedom and purpose I never could have imagined possible. Slides I’m not sure though that anything our Lord did should be considered “irrelevant” regardless of the zeitgeist in that particular culture. We do not believe it is possible to know the date when Jesus will return. Not, at least, according to game theory. Genesis 49:9 uses the analogy of a lion’s cub. Therefore, the message of Revelation is not only to believe in this revelation of a lamb-like God but to follow that lamb regardless of the cost.

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